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I "came out," if it can even be called that, a long time ago, but I am pretty deeply involved (fun, and fascinating, and bewildering too) right now in putting the whole picture together. I was ONLY attracted to women when I was a child and in high school. A boy kissed me when I was sixteen and I hated it, I was terrified (quite irrationally and without precedent as far as I know). I made an effort to get to know men and be okay with men, and be attracted to them and creat a romantic relationship with them, and I did; I fell in love with a few men and had a few brief relationships with them in college and afterwards. I'm not trying to disqualify my past loves and feelings, but recently I've been very (Sexually, romantically) disinterested in men (all my previous selective interest seems to be gone) and I feel as if I'm re-claiming my childhood lesbianism (or homosexuality, whatever the appropriate term might be) again. It's easy for me to feel attracted to women, easy to want to have a long-term relationship with them (as it never was when I dated men). I feel a little nonplussed, but also happy and interested in sorting my sexual-social development out. Has anybody done something similar with themselves, or is in a continued process of doing so?
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Re: Reexamining my Sexuality (invitation to share experiences)
Wed, November 23, 2005 - 12:31 PMOH! ME ME ME! *Jumps up and down*
I know exactly how you feel, and surprisingly I have found in most of the lesbian community I'm not taken seriously because "well you do have 3 ex husbands..." Yah and your point?
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Wed, November 23, 2005 - 12:58 PMmaybe somebody else can help with my memory of quotes, but I remember some James Baldwin character saying something about how he had blamed his failure in past relationships on his bisexuality, when really, he hadn't realized that love wasn't going to be easy. That's my take on it and why I couldn't even bother reading all of those posts about labelling. -
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Re: Reexamining my Sexuality (invitation to share experiences)
Wed, November 23, 2005 - 1:38 PMYeah, I hear that. However, labelling is currently having its uses for me now, when I want to explain to people what I do and do not want in terms of my sexual preferences. It would be ridiculous to say that I was simply a lesbian all along and I ought to simply have "followed my heart," instead of experiment and have relationships with men (relationships which I value now and continue to learn from, since most of my past partners continue to be my close friends), but I feel that it would be a mistake not to finally be in a place of accepting my childhood and teenage homosexuality, and not feeling ashamed or afraid of my sexuality being exclusively oriented towards women. Of course, of course, it's so much more complicated than that, your point is well taken. :) -
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Wed, November 23, 2005 - 1:52 PMEden...congratulations on a long and consciousness-raising journey for you! :-) Don't worry too much, at least around these here parts. I think you'll generally find the local lesbians and bi women to be pretty well-integrated and accepting of whatever your past is.
"Gold stars", after all, are exceedingly rare among us unlike my experience of talking to gay men. (I wonder what that says about our psychology, but don't wanna open that whole can of worms right here.) -
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Wed, November 23, 2005 - 2:03 PMLOL my fiancee is a "gold star"
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Wed, November 23, 2005 - 5:34 PMHow do you feel about the "bisexual" label? A lot of women, myself included, id as bi to represent men in our past and women in our present and future. It's a wholistic term. In my life as a whole, I've loved men and I've loved women. While I can't imagine falling in love with a man ever again, and I'm pretty much set on women, I'm still bi.
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Re: Reexamining my Sexuality (invitation to share experiences)
Wed, November 23, 2005 - 8:28 PMI would rather define Bi as someone who is actively sleeping with men or women and still intrested in the opposit sex. But that's just my take on it. -
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Re: Reexamining my Sexuality (invitation to share experiences)
Wed, November 23, 2005 - 9:49 PMThe labels I attribute to myself are generally for the benefit of others- to respect that label as it pertains to a group or to a sub-culture, and (more importantly to me) to let people know where my preference is. If I tell someone I am bi, it says to them that I am attracted to men and women, where in fact that is not the case. I think it's a little misleading, but on the other hand, I'm a little at a loss: I feel sure that some lesbians would take issue with someone like me calling myself a lesbian. It's confusing.
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Re: Reexamining my Sexuality (invitation to share experiences)
Wed, February 8, 2006 - 9:29 PMLabels, labels. Unfortunately, none of us fit in the boxes we're supposed to! ;-) Be bi, and love your women. Tha'ts my motto!
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Re: Reexamining my Sexuality (invitation to share experiences)
Thu, November 24, 2005 - 2:02 AMI've identified as bisexual since I started becoming sexual, and have had a life of loving that has not been limited by gender.
After a number of relationships with women and men, I fell in love and decided to make a lifetime commitment to a woman. Now that I have been with my life partner for twelve years, and because I plan on sticking around for a long time, most people would insist that makes me a lesbian/dyke.
If you're hooked on labels, I guess that works. But my ability to love and fall in love and have sexual feelings are still not limited by gender, no matter who tries to dismiss me with simple compartmentalizations. The truth is that I am complex and fluid, vibrant and dynamic, queer and bisexual. My heart has been broken wide open to love, and I embrace it fully.
I celebrate and support our community in every way possible, and don't let the bigotry, ignorance, misogyny, homophobia, and heterosexism I experience in and out of the community hold me down.
May everyone everywhere find exactly what they need to end suffering.
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Thu, November 24, 2005 - 5:55 AM"Omnivore" works for me. All I know is my life feels empty and lonely without a woman to love, no matter how many fine men I have great relationships with.
People who cannot at least handle the complexity implied in those two sentences will bore me/ be disturbed by anything longer and deeper than a one-week fling with me.
This actually turns out to work in everybody's favor.
When I look for a place to live, I take into consideration whether it's going to be a safe place for the cats and the dog. As a result, I end up living in places that are safer and healthier for me. I think the criteria of accepting complexity that is presented by my nonstereotypical identity works similarly.
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Sat, November 26, 2005 - 11:28 AMSexuality is a work in progress... at least that's my experience. It continues to change, even with the seasons. Go with the flow, and don't stress out too much about it! -
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Sat, November 26, 2005 - 7:36 PMhear hear. -
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Mon, November 28, 2005 - 11:19 AMI agree.. that's why I'm having fun instead of stressing about my explorations of identities and examining my development more closely. My question wasn't so much about labels as about what everyone's been thinking about concerning their own patterns of attraction, desire, fear, sexuality, or whatever; I guess I could have been more clear about that. :) -
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Mon, November 28, 2005 - 12:24 PMI'm kind of envious of people who have a particular "pattern of attraction." The older I get, the less pattern there seems to be. Like age (used to be attracted to much older, then much younger), whether they are more masculine or feminine than me, whether they are sporty or arty, whether I'm attracted to them cuz it would SO work or because it is SO impossible. I'm not stressed out about it, but I definitely scratch my head (or elsewhere) about it!
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Fri, December 2, 2005 - 2:48 PMI never really tried to do the boy thing., to my parents chagrin. ;-)
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Fri, December 2, 2005 - 7:22 PMBravo Eden! Sexual identity is a lifelong journey and our tastes/attractions are likely to change thoughout it.
I was strictly boys all the way through high school but girls always held a certain fascination for me. Discovered the sublime joys of another woman shorlty after I graduated. Went "bi" for a while. Met a great guy who encouraged me to explore with girls, but not in that creepy "only if I can watch/tape/invite the boys over kind of way. The more I was able to explore, the more I realized it was who I was. So Man and I split on great terms after 4 years together.
I came out to my family (who were not pleased) and friends (who were not suprised) and then sort of felt like a fish out of water. Now what? Is there some secret underground society of wise sage lesbians who will tell me what my next move should be? Unfortunately, no such luck.
Ended up doing the unthinkable: Fell hoh for my married straight best friend..... BAD IDEA! Long story short: Her husband, she and I ended up in a two year poly commitment that ended in their divorce and none of us speaking for several years.
Next Stop? Back in the closet for me. My reasoning? At least when I was with men it didn't hurt so bad and my mother was still speaking to me. Bad decision again, granted, but at the time it felt like the only thing TO do. I wanted to be "normal" again. I wanted people to not look at me funny because of the photos on my desk.
So I digressed back into all man land. Dated a few fellows. Ended up in a long term with a great guy. He was my best friend. We had the companionship and platonic intimacy but when it came to sexual intimacy, we never quite made it. I joke that we both had our minds elsewhere (Me thinking of girls, him thinking of other girls). We split and I felt like I was back where I had started. I couldn't get my mind off of it.
Then I started to get scared. I worried what my family would say/do, my friends, my job. Could I continue to live my life denying what I wanted? If I confined my outlet to sex only,what it would mean for me outside of the bedroom? Could I be content this way? I decided the answer was no. I needed to be able to live my life how I saw fit and allow myself to build relationships and fall in love with whomever that felt right with.
I'd say I'm still in this stage in some ways though. My family doesn't know. Some of my friends still think I 'just haven't found the right guy,' and I still have difficulty getting close to women and really opening up. But I know that being with a woman/women is what is right for me. -
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Fri, December 2, 2005 - 9:14 PMwow, thank you so much for sharing all of that! I knew I wasn't the ONLY person with a pulpy whacko trainwreck pile of tangled spaghetti for a past, but it's nice to actually hear other accounts. we should share stories sometime, no joke. -
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Sun, December 4, 2005 - 2:41 PMWelcome to the pasta platter :)
Thanks Eden! It's nice to have another L appreciate/understand. We should definetly swap stories. I bet between the two of use we could write a book! -
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Sun, December 25, 2005 - 6:27 PMOver the last 18 years I've had the follow
label/identities over time.
bisexual
lesbian
dyke
bisexual
queer
lesbian
bisexual
queer
Sexuality is fluid I think.
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Thu, December 29, 2005 - 3:19 PMi think everyone has dilemas in trying to figure out the whole queer/bi thing... whether they admit it or not. For instance i have been out officially for five years and prior to that i have never dated/had sex with/been involved with a man ever. The past few years i have gotten some shit from my lesbian friends because i will occasionally get a little tipsy and flirt or make out with guys... so people start telling me i'm bi and in denial and what not... people mind you who themselves prior to coming out had been in relationships even married to men. Now saying they are strictly lesbian. At any rate... so i begin to wonder myself... i started hanging out with this attractive guy and i figure hey.... maybe i'll just give this a shot. I date him for a couple months not feeling much more than just a general fondness... and feeling completely foreign to the straight ways... i eventually decide to have sex with him. Let's just say that that was the last time i saw him and am now completely confident that i am a lesbian. I guess what my point is... this.... don't worry about labels and what other people in the comunity think just do what feels right for you and if people don't like it it's their own ignorance and fear that is the problem. I believe anyone can fall in love with anyone if all the proper cards are in place... life is a great series of experiences and it's retarded to close the door on any one.
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Tue, March 21, 2006 - 11:23 PMWow Katelyn the beginning of your post is so familiar. I had a boyfriend that I dated starting in high school for four years. Half way through, I finally was able to admit to myself (and embrace) that I liked women. Two years later after some experimentation on both sides of the feild (he was so cool about opening our relationship up) I realized that I was a lesbian and I broke up with him on good terms. My family seemed ok with me coming out in general (with a few exceptions) and my friends were like, um duh! I am sorry to hear that you are still struggling with being out. It's a good thing that the family members that aren't ok wiht me being a lesbian I don't really like. I highly doubt that I'll ever go back in the closet; I like it out here. Good luck with everything. I hope since your posting things have been going better :)
I know what you mean Eden about not wanting to discount previous experiences. I don't know what to say about them. I loved my boyfriend and for a long while really enjoyed sex with him. He was also my first for a lot of things...which might have something to do with it. But still, even though I had good experiences, I can't come to any other conclusion than that I like women only :)
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Thu, January 5, 2006 - 12:53 PMThanks for raising the issue. I empathize with your path, Eden. I went through high school fully interested/obsessed with boys. I did the whole sighing/fantasising/moping about them, but never seemed to really hook up with anyone. My male relationships in college were lukewarm and frightful. Then I met women. And they actually liked me! They thought I was attractive, sexy, beautiful, interesting. Well, shit, there's the obvious choice! So I fell in love with the female race, and I still am. But. I can't help but wonder, am I just scared? Do I not allow male relationships to happen because it's unknown territory and I don't trust them an inch? What would have happened if I had supportive, caring male role models in my life? Would it now be easier to let a man see the tender side of me? Well. These are thoughts. I don't really take action on them, because women ARE wonderful. But they hover in my head, waiting. -
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Mon, January 16, 2006 - 6:57 PMhmm i have always been attracted to both men and women, but i had more successful relationships with men.
thats because i live in austria and don feel particularly attracted to austrian lesbians.
I like women with a certain style and want them to be polyamorous too.
Right at the moment i want to have a primary relationship ( i have to secondary male partners) with a woman and i am searching one. :-)
that sounds maybe stupid, but i like the scenery in NYC better and since i want to move here anyway i want to try my luck in NYC.
I have not so much experience with women, and the ones i have were mostly sexually and not so much relationship like.
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Mon, January 16, 2006 - 7:09 PMwhat i wanted to add was that i always felt attracted to androgynous men or women, both my lovers are very androgynous and i think they are females in male bodies :-) maybe i didnt dare to be attracted to women because the ones i liked were all heteros. I dont know. maybe you want to doiscuss?
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Re: Reexamining my Sexuality (invitation to share experiences)
Mon, January 16, 2006 - 9:22 PMI totally pushed my feelings back in my mind when I was in high school and younger... I was like, well if I tell myself to like guys long enough, it will happen. Finally when I graduated high school, I couldn't deal with not feeling chemistry with anyone I was actually dating. I found out later that my friend's were sort of waiting for me to tell them. So I guess I was kind of lucky, everything turned out pretty good.
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Sat, January 21, 2006 - 11:18 PMfirst i want to say that i see sexual attraction on a big continuum, and i wish we lived in a world that didn't need labels, but that isn't the case so we label even though very few of us has a cut-and-dried sexual history.
i can totally relate. i am 42. i have two teenagers. i have been out as a lesbian, with a woman partner for just 3, count them THREE years. this is because i was so completely BRAINWASHED by society and family expectations that i never NEVER even entertained that possibility that i might be a lesbian even though i had to fantasize about women to get through sex with any man; i was filled with self-loathing every time i had sex with a man (and was pretty sick of the man too--yes, this should have been a huge tip-off)--i fell in love with them too now and then, but that's not the same as being sexually attracted to them; i always thought the women were hot in movies, never the men; i perfected a way to watch women in public without being seen; i would play a game when i was bored where i would look at every women that passed by me and find at least one beautiful thing about her; etc. etc.
finally, through therapy, i started to question my relationship with my husband of 14 years and he, trying to control the situation and me, took me to swingers clubs and started a very destructive relationship with another couple, where i became very attached and everyone else was just playing--i nearly became insane (seriously). i finally was able to realize that i had to get out of my marriage, even though it meant leaving my family behind for awhile (they thought that i was losing my mind) and giving up a pretty cushy life for a much more difficult one. but you know, i had no choice. it was either leave or die. and my children are fine and happy and i have a wonderful partner and my family has come around and we are financially stable and i'm mentally stable. that's alot. now, when i look back, i can't believe i went 42 years fooling myself, but it just shows how strongly society influences us.
but here's the thing: that continuum thing. it changes, i think, for some people, for many people. and i think if we were able to be more honest about who we love and why and labels didn't matter, then the continuum would be more obvious. because really, the only thing that's important is who you love and who you want to have sex with.
having said that, i do have to mention that i love being part of the whole lesbian culture and having a connection with other lesbians. wait, i should say SOME other lesbians. some lesbians try to avoid lesbians at all costs like if we're seen together in public the secret will be out. news flash: everyone already knows!!! :-)
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Wed, March 22, 2006 - 12:03 AMI think its very interesting that so often we label ourselves by who we are (or aren't sleeping with), rather than figuring out for ourselves how we really feel. Sounds confusing I know...however, I can relate my story which kind of speaks to that.
I have been out for five years now. I dated and slept with men in high school and college, but since I began dating women and found the connection I could have with them I have since considered myself to be a dyke/lesbian/queer.
The sticky party of the situation is I dated a woman for a year and a half who has since begun identifying as a male. Does that suddenly make me straight? Does that make me bi? To me I still feel like a dyke/lesbian/queer, but am very much in love with him.
Point being...love who you want to love, do what you want to do, and as difficult as it may be, try to overcome the labels everyone (gay and straight communities alike) want to put on you. We are people having amazing life experiences...why label it? =)
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Wed, March 22, 2006 - 1:07 AMstrange how many gay men start out dating women, sometimes for years ending in marriage before they open there eyes and commit to being gay and you dont hear any of them complaining...women can be so judgemental...
I wish the comunity was more understanding and forgiving...
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